Point of View Podcast – Episode 6: Maddy Hakaraia de Young

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welcome to PO of viw your monthly Cinema podcast I'm your host Tom Austine got a
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great show coming up for you today we're talking to uh medelyn hakara D young she
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is the young director of Mand Film Festival I had the pleasure of going to this Festival last year it's one of the
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best in the country um they've just announced their lineup for the year uh it is really really exciting so I'm
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really excited to talk to her today we're also talking to uh the great Lucy Lawless about her directorial debut
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never look away uh really really special documentary about Margaret moth the war photographer um that's premiering on
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Realto channel on the 22nd of March and as usual we're going to be talking about what's coming up in cinemas uh on
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streaming and out there in the cinema world uh so please stay with us M hakar the young is uh a very good
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friend of mine and is also the director of Mand Film Festival which is one of the best little festivals in the country
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uh I had the pleasure of going last year and it was a really really special time she was a semi-finalist for young New
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Zealander of the year uh which I know she loves me talking about um and uh M
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land Film Festival has just dropped its uh program uh for the year uh it's
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really really impressive um thank you for coming and chatting to me today thanks for having me Tom hi um so uh
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let's start just talking about what model land is for people who haven't been are uninitiated yeah sure so Maran
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Film Festival is an international indigenous Film Festival we're the largest in the world now we've been
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around for this is coming up to our 12 Festival but I guess when you wonder
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what international indigenous means it means that we take films from all of the
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indigenous native communities around the world so our program ranges anywhere
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from the greenlandic across s me the top of Europe through the Americas and the
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hundreds of tribes that live across those territories throughout the Pacific and back home to Al where Mighty
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filmmakers have a really important place in our program and it's uh oper operated
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out of oty beautiful beautiful Town um and it's kind of amazing because it has
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the kind of small town community feel but it also has This Global kind of
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aspects to it yeah um can you give us a little breakdown of like the history of
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how it came to be and why it has that feeling yeah sure so oaki is home to an
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E development strategy called fak which Loosely translates to the
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generation 2000 and it was a vision to bring back to Del Marti for our
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community and for Alo but also to see our people thrive across all Industries
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so that we could be a a really pumping little tow um and so that alak could
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stay in our community so that's the context that we grow up in and I come
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from a fun of creatives um everybody works in the Arts from theater to film
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to event production and so we made this film The Ming of kapu which was directed
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by my auntie lby hakara and produced by tyo Stevens and it was the first time
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that our town got to see themselves on the big screen that it had my aunties in it my cousins in it and that film ended
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up going to 30 yard film festivals around the world and so at that same
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time people were looking for a festival to come to an Al an indigenous Festival
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to come to an Al or even in the southern hemisphere full stop M and so liby Ando
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took on that challenge of going where can we come come to we'll look after you
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we know that Alano will wrap their Anarchy around you and in those early years we kind of modeled ourselves on
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the origins of Sundance you know Park City during the year is a town of only
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6,000 people and then it balloons into this massive Festival Hub and over the
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course of that Festival they've seen Park City of evolve and you know they're looking now at whether or not it can
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stay there or not totally but what we saw in for AI was an opportunity to
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bring everybody to our community for filmmakers to have an experience that they don't usually get to have you know
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they're in a small town they're connecting directly with their audiences they're connecting with each other
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there's nothing else to do you know we don't have a hot hotels we don't have Uber you can't get distracted and end up
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down the road at something else there Marland and so through that we've been
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able to build this really beautiful Community vibe that turns the whole town
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into a festival town so everybody in U is buzzing with stories for the week of
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the festival and it has this this feeling that was like nothing else that I've ever really experienced where like
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you walk down the street and there's the whole town is is converted into M land
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but you know you can just like strike up a conversation with this incredible filmmaker or you can just walk into uh
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one of the hubs and and experience something to do with virtual reality or um these kinds of ways of breaking the
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boundaries of Cinema um you can you know wander to the beach and then come and
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see a film you know you have these programs for for younger people as well
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um it's just such an it's such a um it feels very New Zealand uh even though it
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has has this kind of international element I guess will you does is that
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kind of conscious are you working to preserve that element when you're putting it together yeah I think it's
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it's also because we it's based on relationships
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ultimately and within when we make films we need the whole Community to come
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along with us like people you think about the actors and the directors and you know maybe the camera team yeah but
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then you have the ringa the Caterers who are so vital to a production or the
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builders and when you're making films in Al you're working with normal people you
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know you're working with the builder down the road or tot The samess Who
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somebody knows it's so relationship based and so bringing that into the festival made sense for us all of those
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other programs like we also have toy mat Gallery which was because we knew that
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what we put on screen is so heavily influenced by what the artists are
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creating and all their visual elements and so we put all these things together
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so that we can everyone can see themselves in what we're doing and I think that's really important for as we
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try and grow Cinema audiences in Al is for people to feel like it's something
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that relates to them and isn't you know something that rich people over there do
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yeah yeah I think what I love about going to the movies is sitting in a
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cinema watching something together feeling everybody else around me and
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going on that emotional journey together and you can kind of feel the vibration in the room especially when it's
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something that has people riveted of the gasps or the laughter or totally the you
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know rles as people get uncomfortable and you're having that experience together and I think that is something
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that we have to remember to get people back to the movies yeah I mean it's it's
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it's it's a different art form to other ones because it is for everyday people
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you know like that's what its original conception was and I think a lot of people have lost sight of that um so
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it's just such a wonderful um initiative to bring it here and bring it to small
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towns um speaking of the movies so this lineup is really really great
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um there's a few Premier in there as well do you want to can we get a sneak peek of some of the so we're really
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excited that our opening night film is you hear about special presentations or
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you know media screenings we're lucky to be able to bring the audience into a special presentation of Corker ke a
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Brown's debut film which will be going to Cinemas in June and we'll have its
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big Premiere there but New Zealand audiences can get a sneak peek at Marty land fantastic with the cast and crew
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and I've heard there's buses coming down from East Coast um I think that's going
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to be a really special film and henell is so incredibly powerful um I'm really
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excited to see her in a role like this to be able to helm a feature film yeah
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um but also bringing Dan Ding and who people will remember from the Dead Land
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tvah they're really powerful um another film that I really
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think it's going to be really really joyful and entertaining to see is the
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world premiere of shre I'm so excited
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I we managed to get our whole team involved in the scope offer so I'm a d loock doll which I'm really excited to
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my own little moment and but from what I've heard of the fin cut so far it is
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hilarious it's magical how seamlessly
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the real Mar sits alongside those big tracks yeah that everybody knows and I
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think no matter how familiar you are with the language you're going to have a great time at that screening oh that's so great um we also have our closing
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night film tuna order is an incredible documentary from Tahiti by Vin TOA Vin's
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been at the festival before with music videos and other works she makes incredibly visually vibrant and striking
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work and so being in that landscape of Tahiti you've got these beautiful ocean
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Scapes whales just incredible Landscapes but it's with a really powerful story of
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resistance of the woman of the community of Moria which is this
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it's what you imagine when you hear tahi it's the White Sands the blue blue water
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um but it's also a tourist Hotpot and the hotels want to expand and with that
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means that local people can't necessarily get to the water as they used to and so there's a real tension
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there between wow I think the luxury of getting to go on
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holiday and go somewhere pristine and what it means for people who actually love in places right and that's a theme
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that continues throughout the festival another really massive film that we've got coming is standing above the clouds
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which is about the fight to protect Mona care um that film is about Auntie po
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case who has really LED that movement and so we're lucky to be able to have their team come through to the
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festival and then another one in that documentary space as well is sugar cane
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which is nominated for an Oscar that which is really exciting but I got to see that film at Sundance last year and
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it covers it's about a community who is
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investigating the the aftermath of residential schools there was a discovery a couple
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of years ago of a mass grave at one of the residential schools in Canada and
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it's led to a lot of uncovering of what actually happened at those schools both across Canada and America
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and in this film you see the director jolian noisecat and his father Ed
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noisecat who's an incredible artist who's got really strong links to Al as well mending and and working out their
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own relationship um you see this young
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tribal leader looking after his kids and going this is what we're going to do to
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make things right and be showing incredible leadership for someone who is
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quite young um in the ground scheme of things and all these other community
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members who've had extraordinarily difficult experiences just
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putting the truth out there and confronting people and having really hard conversations and they weave it
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together in such an incredible way that I thought I knew this story like this is a story that we see quite often at Mar
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land yeah right but I don't think I've ever been so deeply affected as watching
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that documentary wow I mean yeah cuz it it has IM like describing the film it
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has immediate resonance in New Zealand yeah which I think speaks to The Wider one of the wider things that I really
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gleaned from when I was down there which is that you know so many of these indigenous stories are Universal in a
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certain sense like they blend so so seamlessly so much of the stories that
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they have have resonances here and all around the world as well yeah it's been
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definitely interesting seeing these films in the context of the royal commission into abuse and state
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care and one of the other world premieres that we've got at the festival is the stolen children of Al by Jolan
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and so that will Premiere at Mar land on Friday and then it goes to fart Mar on Monday wow um so anyone can see it once
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it's on TV but I think what we'll be really moving at that screening is that
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it is our community a lot of the people who feature in that documentary are from UI and The Wider Wellington region yeah
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and so being able to see them tell their stories and then afterwards have that
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time together to yeah that's going to be incredibly wow it is and I think that's something that you get at film festivals
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that you don't necessarily get anywhere else is that opportunity to watch
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something profound and then spend time with other people who have had that same experience
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as you afterwards and debrief and and you know have whatever it is that you
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need to do following that whether it's something that's as joyful and fun and silly as track or as powerful and
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important as the stolen children wow I me mediately feel like a need to get
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down there like um oh
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fantastic looking ahead into March uh there's a whole bunch of really exciting films coming up um the first one to talk
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about is a New Zealand film one that is showing at M land um it's one that I've
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had the pleasure of seeing I think you've seen it too the role of Jenny Penn yes which is James Ash's new film
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yes now this film is from adapted from an on Marshal short story uh Stars uh
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the great John Lithgow which is an amazing guest Jeffrey Rush um a great
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cast of New Zealand performers um it's a story set in a retirement home uh where
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there's a very sadistic uh resident who tortures
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everyone else who who resides there um and it turns into this kind of battle of
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wits did you enjoy this film uh enjoy is an interesting adjective for it I think
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I mean one thing I love about James's work in general like coming a home in the dark was such an incredibly
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devastating yeah Beautiful film and Jenny pen is quite different that
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has that same intensity and power and messaging underneath it totally I think
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I saw a cord of James talking about how the film you know it's it's creepy it's
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weird it's funny in uncomfortable ways it's that like nervous giggle sort of
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film but when James was talking about what it means to him talking about how
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many of our elderly especially in Care Homes
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experience abuse and those environments or discomfort and how it's something
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that we don't necessarily pay very much attention to or it's too uncomfortable for us to actually acknowledge so we put
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it over here yeah and I think while it's extreme and absurd and very strange it
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does a beautiful job of showing how how confronting that life
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changes to go into a home like that is for people powerless you are and how
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easily the abusers can get swept under the rug by just like dismissing it as like just an old person yeah I I
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listened to a podcast recently and was talking about how um when it comes to
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people who are deemed to be disabled or to have um cognitive difficulties or Etc
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um that there's this presumed incompetence yeah that you
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that you because you presume that people arable to do something you're willing to
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believe that all sorts of other things are true that un necessarily true and I
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think you see that really strongly in this film that you know that he's asking
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Jeffrey Rush's character is asking for help and he comes from being this like
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high powered judge but is deemed powerless because and and trust with you
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because he's old and because he doesn't go about it in a way that's like considered like a nice old man or
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anything he's a bit of a he's a bit of an but in that situation of course you would be yeah exactly and
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it's interesting because I think you see that that would have worked for him his whole life up till now but because he's
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in this new context all his ways of interacting with people are now
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irrelevant yeah totally and ligal who has you know a history of being playing terrifying characters is really scary in
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this yeah and Nails the New Zealand accent as well like quite quite
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remarkable work really yeah it's it's deeply that doll becomes an extension of
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himself in a way that is totally disturbing yeah really really disturbing and it's cool to see ashof on the rise
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as well his next film is with Robert daero which is really cool right but
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Jenny Pen's done really well right like it won awards at Fantastic Fest it's as
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well I think um he's had a huge response internationally to this film in the
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genre Festival space and so it's going to be really interesting I really hope that people make the fit to go on and
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see the film because I think definitely he's having out a new genre for New
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Zealand film totally very unique in the New Zealand space which is really great yeah um also coming up this month uh
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finally we've been waiting for it for a really long time as um bong Jun h film Mickey 17 so are you a pong jinho fan
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yeah I was actually thinking about looking because I've been trying to go to the movies recently and looking at
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what's coming out and you know a lot of it is existing IP you know stuff you
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already know and what's exciting about this film and you can see it in the trailer I mean Robert pendon is such a
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cooky actor to begin with in terms of the roles he chooses
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but you know it's going to be really unexpected and riving the whole way
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through yeah and while we've been waiting a while I had a look and the book that it's based on that only came
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out in 2022 so oh wow I'm also kind of fascinated by the speed at which got turned around
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got turned around and yeah how you know this is a nerdy part of it but how that
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all came to be because it seems like it's going to be a really powerful film
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it's a yeah it's a it's a science fiction about um uh a man who volunteers
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to be reprinted every time he dies and uh so Mickey 17 implies that he's died
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16 times before and being reincarnated I suppose um and it looks like it's more
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in the vein of something like maybe snow piercer or one of those more light-hearted Works um but we of it's
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creepy weird alien and beings and totally and a great cast and it just
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looks really really fun um it's just going to be great to have uh director bong back in cinas I think yeah yeah um
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we've got the last show girl coming up which is uh G Coppa who's the latest in the Coppa Dynasty to become an Aur uh
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her film with Pamela Anderson um which is about a kind of Aging Vegas show girl
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Reckoning with that kind of part of her life um is this one on your radar yeah I
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think I was really surprised when I first started seeing stuff about it because I didn't realize that per
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Anderson was working in the space anymore or or
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that this sort of role was for her but at the same time it kind of totally makes sense in a way it's semi
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autobiographical even though it's got nothing to do with her personally just the idea of being you know when we were
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growing up Pam was the hottest actress in the
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world and she experienced everything that came with that being famous in
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the90s as a woman and so to see her come back in this film is incredible but I'm
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also interested did you see po Al I did yeah and what that was J's first feature
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and what I loved about that film was howy and it manages to really it's
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really incredibly revealing about the world that she's depicting totally and
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it makes it for something that's slightly uncomfortable to watch because of the power dynamics in that movie so
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I'm really interested to see the last show girl cuz I suspect from seeing the
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trailer and what I've heard about it that it will do a similar job of unraveling
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the the sort of meantion around yeah Fame and
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success for women in Show Business totally in the states and it'll be interesting to see if um Gia kind of
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extrapolates herself from the shadow of Sophia and course Francis um and see
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what what kind of quite beautiful in the same day certainly does yeah absolutely
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it is interesting also that you you know mention uh panelist kind of history and and the way that she has
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been exploited over I mean just there was that show Pam and Tommy that came out which she had a real was not happy
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with because she didn't consent to it being made and then it got made about her so it almost feels like a
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Reclamation as well this film even though it's not about her life as you say it has exactly and I think it's it's
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quite something I find quite um encouraging I guess is
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seeing women like Pam who uh in what
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traditionally would have been you know they would have been cast as mothers or grandmothers or you know not as hot
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woman anymore of being a woman with her own power and her own interesting story
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that's really exciting to see absolutely and I hope that it kind of leads to some more work for her it would be
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interesting I think like yeah she's revealed this side to herself which is
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very promising I think she could yeah really deliver something really interesting in the next stage of her
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career or whatever that looks like yeah um also coming up this this month is
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Disney's live action Snow White um this
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the trailers did not necessarily fill me with confidence it's interesting that this
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has become kind of a culture Clash film in America because um the lead actress
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who is from Westside Story is is not white and it turned into this big flash
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point thing in America is so stupid doesn't necessarily divorce
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from the fact that the film itself is kind of like why do we need a live extion Snow Whites right now and you
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watch the trailer and it's yeah it's all the liveaction Disney films it's an IP
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retention thing though right 100% it's Disney holding on to their work but yeah
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I I watched the trailer and the bit that jumped out at me was the dwarves yeah
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and terrifying terrifying but also why like I I I suspect that they did the
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weird CGI thing to avoid a showes with representation of actual people yeah
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what did you think I but it's kind of worse 100% and it also makes like in
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terms of the context of 2025 like do we need a film about snow in the human
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dwars anymore no not really no I mean I I and like who this is the same thing
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with all these live action uh remakes is who would ever elect to go and watch
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that as opposed to the Masterpiece that was originally exactly that's still available to you yeah exactly as you say
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it's it's just a continuation of right and I think it's like looking at uh the
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evil queen character in this she's kind of indistinguishable from Angelina Jolie
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and Maleficent like it similar sort of vibe but I thought male was far more
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interesting it was a new take on something we already knew yeah it wasn't just a carbon copy yeah totally um also
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coming up this month we have a few other films we have uh Steven soderberg's black bag which is uh he just released
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presents he's got another film coming out this one's kind of like a spy story with Kate Blanchet Michael Fender got a
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great trailer so I'm quite excited for that one and they both it looks like T performances from both of them fantastic
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I'm hoping that this is quite a muscular um soda BG offering um he's a very busy
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man we have a working man uh which is
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um a Jason St Jason ston film I watched the train I couldn't tell if he was trying to do an American accent or not
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um which he should never try and do um it just looked like The Beekeeper yeah a
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new setting which when I watched the Beeper I was like this is just an excuse
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for Jason stam to have weapons and lots of stunts and theyve kind of sh story
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around it feels like the same thing I had I had a real I had a real weird effect for The Beekeeper I think just I
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watched it I watched it in January it was really hot and I went into the CER and I just watched Jason beating the
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stuffing out of a bunch of people um and it was really really fun I can't say that this one looks as they serve a
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space though right like it's the sort of movie that you want to watch on a plane or yeah on a Sunday when you don't
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really want to go outside yeah low effort L like you don't have to think about it too much I mean I think like um
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Stan is one of our more reliable action Stars yeah cuz he does have a gravitus and he
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does have a um kind of uh he holds the screen in a way that's really enjoyable to watch
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yeah and so much energy I mean the bit with this trailer I do I do feel like you see that entire film in 100% but
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it's extraordinary how many weapons you can fit into Oneil
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AB yeah yeah um okay what else have we got um we got the return which actually
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showed at the British and Irish Film Festival last year which is a take on uh
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the Odyssey R finds very ripped very tanned umur nished yes yes M nourished
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that's a good way to put it um uh I have heard that that one's very meditative and kind of Arty and um uh an
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interesting take on the ending of The Odyssey which doesn't get shown on film very much so that's that's cool we also
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have another one kind of in the same brand uh fire brand which has Jude Law as King Henry VII it's about the last of
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his wives played by Alicia Vanda um who is obviously the one who survived yeah
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um so that one is quite an interesting version of that story also that we haven't seen that of yeah it kind of it
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was familiar in a way of the great yes yeah um not as comic looking but yeah
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had that similar sort of representation of as someone yeah with gasto yeah let's
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look at this thing that people know about very well from a different kind of angle yeah which on the flip side like
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the return looks like it will be a great film but it does feel like a film we've seen before yeah yeah definitely
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so talking about streaming in March um we have a good number of uh TV series
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releasing um probably the one that I guess most broadly is uh being quite
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anticipated is the return of Daredevil and Daredevil born again um back in the
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day when Netflix were doing Marvel TV series this was the one that had a lot of traction so it's it's coming back
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again the same cast and that kind of thing um not sure what that kind of shift from the very dark world of those
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Netflix ones into something a lot lighter and Disney will look like but um
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they ones on the 4th of March um will you be watching that um probably at some
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point it's not high on the list but at the same time I think you know as one it was interesting looking at it going it's
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not actually giving much away I don't know what to I know the concept of that world but it'll be interesting to see
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what content is actually in the series yeah and you know the thing that would
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really out with that show was Vincent onfo as the Kingpin and so it's nice to see him back um on Netflix we actually
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have an adaptation of the leopard which is um and it was an Italian book that
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got turned into this very beautiful vonti film um and so now it's being
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adapted into a Netflix limited series um
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watching the trailer did not fill me of confidence I usually would just say just go and watch the original cuz the
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original fil so beautiful yeah it's [Music] um willing to give it the benefit of the
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doubt because it looks like it could be interesting in a similar vein to some of the other series like this that they've
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been able to yeah well they they did do 100 Years of Solitude which I haven't seen yet no I haven't seen that yet
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either I've been a little bit nervous to because such a beautiful book yeah exactly how do you adapt it for the
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screen at least with the leopard you know it's the story of this like Aris critic family in ity to an
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end um so that seems to lend itself more easily to something like this and with
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Italian actors those roles so that's good yeah um less anticipated for me the
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electric State uh on the 14th of March this is the latest film from the Russo
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Brothers um it's got Chris Pratt and uh
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Bobby Brown um it's sort like a vision of the future with robots and yeah it
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kind of reminded me of player really well yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah the the spellberg film yeah um
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unfortunately I don't know if those if the Ros are quite on the level of spelberg um watching the trailer I didn't feel
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very inspired um but it'll be interesting
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that one's getting a streaming only release as far as I know so that will be dropping on the 14th um the residence
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now this is a little bit more interesting this is from Netflix um now this is Shonda Rhymes yeah and it's set
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at the White House it's a murder mystery yeah and it looks really it's like she's taken elements of other of English great
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comedic murder mystery kind of style and put it into a deeply American I mean the
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most American setting you possibly could with the White House with A Beautiful
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cast and it looks like it's going to be really cheeky yeah good and it's it's
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kind of a left turn for Shonda ryes like from the kind of more I guess like high
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level soap that she is perhaps best known for this feels very kind of
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comedic thrilling mysterious um satirical um so it'll be interesting to
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see her working in that space yeah definitely and I think it it is reminisent to me though of other black
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comedies um it's got this real kind
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of it's almost like Gosford Park com event right yeah exactly yeah
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really cool um and then on the 26th of March on Apple TV plus Seth Rogan stars
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in the studio um this one kind of has like a you were saying it's like a Tropic Thunder kind of feel um he plays
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a producer uh in Hollywood it's kind of as much as we really know about it so
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far but it does have this kind of the presence of Seth Rogan implies was it Jimmy Knoxville in the trailer yeah yeah
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I think so I think so so um a bit gross out a bit Yeah Yeah tongue and cheek
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yeah I get the feeling that this one might actually be like a sleeper hit like it might actually it might actually
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inspire an audience well looking at the people popping up in that trailer you know you've it looks like he's going to be bringing
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all his mates along with him so yeah and and honestly of of um the streamers
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Apple TV Plus in my opinion has been turning out the best work yeah um maybe
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that's just cuz I'm deep in Severance at the moment um but uh no
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I'm quietly optimistic about that one um so mie Mar land is coming up in March uh
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on the it starts on the 26th yeah the 30th 30th of March um and it's in
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oty um I cannot recommend going to this Festival enough it's just um like the
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highlight of of my year last year was coming down so I'm hoping to get down this year um uh any other kind of
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thoughts from you about why people should come and check it out yeah I think I mean across those five days that
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action- pack there's 130 films and digital Works spread across five venues
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um if you there's something for everybody in there from kids films the
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lost tiger Shantel Murray's Universal animated feature is so gorgeous and
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joyful and clever um but through to those other big films that we spoke
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about earlier there's also incredible shorts there's 104 shorts in the program
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and so whether you want to dip your toes in or sit in and watch something really meaty yeah or just hang out go to the
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food tracks go to one of the installations listen to live music we've got lady shakka as our red carpet night
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awesome act which will be really fun and I think just that opportunity to spend
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time together and to meet the filmmakers and to really celebrate film in such a
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unique environment why wouldn't you want to 100% And on just quickly the shorts
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that I went and watched while I was down there were one of the highlights of the
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it's been so you here than you for and to me no rose I love it getting to talk
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about movies the best yeah absolutely okay [Music]
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cool this month we're lucky enough to be giving away passes to some very very cool movies um thanks to the team at
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madman we're giving away two double passes to the last showgirl now this film as we you may have heard before um
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is directed by Gia Coppa of the Coppa Dynasty um and it stars Pamela Anderson
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uh it looks really really special um I am going to be able to see it next week and I'm really really excited for this
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one um we're also giving away two double passes thanks to the team at trigger for
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hard truths uh now this film was one of my very favorite films of last year was
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on my um best of 2024 uh it's finally getting a wide release here in New Zealand in March uh it is uh the new
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film from Mike Lee uh it STS marann Jean Baptist and what I think is probably the performance of the year uh and it's a
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very very powerful drama um uh the thing with Mike Lee films is that they are
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kind of very small scale but they speak these enormous volumes um he's a very
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unique filmmaker his process of making films is very unique and the performance that he draws out of not just Maran Jean
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Baptist but the entire cast is absolutely incredible I cannot recommend seeing this film enough um so if you uh
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go on the draw you'll be able to get a double pass for that um highly recommended uh thank you so much for
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tuning in and uh joining us today for point of view uh I've been your host Tom
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Austin uh kakit thank you so much

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